On this forum there is a thread on climate/obesity. I read my previous input and some of it I now reject. Particularly the idea of state capitalism being any part of the communist process. Even then I was not making a definitive statement that it was. the previous thread sprawled between various phenomena which I think are related in the capitalist drive to realise profit at the expense of people and life in general, but I thought it may be useful to gather the unfolding data on obesity which is not something the "communist left" says much about, but I think is an important aspect of the proletarian condition today. msn.com Severe obesity among children in final year of primary school reaches highest level on record, official data shows


Perhaps some may wonder if obesity is in fact a class related topic. I think it is. If millions of workers die in wars, we see this as a crime of capitalism. Yet how many die before their time and suffer long term ill health as a result of the imposed capitalist lifestyle? Consider this...In most rich nations, obesity rates are much higher at the bottom of the socioeconomic scale. They correlate strongly with inequality, which helps to explain why the UK’s incidence is greater than in most European and OECD nations. The scientific literature shows how the lower spending power, stress, anxiety and depression associated with low social status makes people more vulnerable to bad diets. More here from the Guardian....msn.com

US doctors coined a phrase for this condition: “sh*t-life syndrome”. Poor working-age Americans of all races are locked in a cycle of poverty and neglect, amid wider affluence. They are ill educated and ill trained. The jobs available are drudge work paying the minimum wage, with minimal or no job security. They are trapped in poor neighbourhoods where the prospect of owning a home is a distant dream. There is little social housing, scant income support and contingent access to healthcare. Finding meaning in life is close to impossible; the struggle to survive commands all intellectual and emotional resources. Yet turn on the TV or visit a middle-class shopping mall and a very different and unattainable world presents itself. Knowing that you are valueless, you resort to drugs, antidepressants and booze. You eat junk food and watch your ill-treated body balloon. It is not just poverty, but growing relative poverty in an era of rising inequality, with all its psychological side-effects, that is the killer.much more ………..msn.com

Key Facts

  • In 2016/17, there were 617 thousand admissions in NHS hospitals where obesity was a factor1. This is an increase of 18 per cent on 2015/16.
  • In 2016, 26 per cent of adults were classified as obese. This has increased from 15 per cent in 1993 but has remained at a similar level since 2010.
  • In 2016, 26 per cent of adults and 16 per cent of children consumed 5 or more portions of fruit and vegetables a day.
  • In 2016/17, 1 in 5 children in Year 6 and 1 in 10 children in Reception were classified as obese.


Very much related;

"Physical inactivity is responsible for one in six UK deaths (equal to smoking) and is estimated to cost the UK £7.4 billion annually (including £0.9 billion to the NHS alone).

Unfortunately our population is around 20% less active than in the 1960s. If current trends continue, it will be 35% less active by 2030.

Many people don’t realise that physical activity has significant benefits for health, both physical and mental, and can help to prevent and manage over 20 chronic conditions and diseases, including some cancers, heart disease, type 2 diabetes and depression.

Surveys have shown that nearly a quarter of adults report being physically inactive (doing less than 30 minutes physical activity over a week).

Men were more likely to claim they achieve the recommended physical activity levels than women and women were more likely to report being physically inactive than men.

Increasing age and reduced physical activity are 2 risk factors that often coincide. As people age, they take part in less physical activity.

And people with disabilities or long-term conditions are twice as likely not to be active enough for good health."


Brand new global report....bbc.co.uk

A WHO report estimates that more than a quarter of people worldwide - 1.4 billion - are not doing enough physical exercise, a figure that has barely improved since 2001.

Inactivity raises the risk of a raft of health problems, such as heart disease, type-2 diabetes and some cancers.

High-income countries, including the UK, were among the least active.

And women were found to be more sedentary throughout the world, with the exception of two regions of Asia...

Researchers from the World Health Organization (WHO) looked at self-reported data on activity from 358 population-based surveys in 168 countries, including 1.9 million people, for their study in The Lancet Global Health.

They found in high-income countries, which include the UK and the USA, the proportion of inactive people had risen from 32% in 2001 to 37% in 2016, while in low-income countries it had remained stable at 16%.

Those who were classed as inactive did less than 150 minutes of moderate exercise - or 75 minutes at a vigorous intensity - a week.

Countries driving the upwards trend included Germany, New Zealand and the US...In the UK, inactivity levels in 2016 were 36% overall - 32% of men and 40% of women....


msn.com Life for the great majority under (advanced) capitalism is pointless boredom, the blackmail of alienated labour to survive interspersed with binging on junk food and drugs. Capitalism - unfit for human consumption.

Today (12 Oct 2018) independent.co.uk In England, a third of children leave primary school overweight or obese – with some children consuming 500 more calories per day than is recommended. Work work work consume consume consume accumulate accumulate accumulate...

msn.com Our diets are out of kilter with what’s good for both us and the planet because powerful vested interests and misplaced economic incentives have driven them in that direction, and this is the thesis underlying the commission’s findings. The equivalent of $500bn in agricultural subsidies goes each year to the wrong sort of food – corn, soya, meat and dairy, as cheap raw materials for intensive livestock production and for highly processed foods. About $5tn a year goes in subsidies to the fossil fuels which industrialised agriculture uses so profligately. Big food has spent hundreds of millions advertising unhealthy food and lobbying to block the sort of measures that might help shift consumption.

You could also post this under the last article on climate change.

Capitalism fuels shit lifestyles. msn.com Councils are making “deep cuts” to addiction services despite soaring alcohol-related hospital admissions and deaths, with further cuts projected....

A&E cases involving alcohol surged by 13 per cent over the past decade, and NHS data revealed last week showed deaths related to drinking reached record levels of nearly 6,000 last year.

Shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth said fatalities had reached “shamefully high” levels as austerity created a “breeding ground” for drug and alcohol abuse.


Unhealthy diets are responsible for 11m preventable deaths globally per year, more even than smoking tobacco, according to a major study.

But the biggest problem is not the junk we eat but the nutritious food we don’t eat, say researchers, calling for a global shift in policy to promote vegetables, fruit, nuts and legumes.

While sugar and trans-fats are harmful, more deaths are caused by the absence of healthy foods in our diet, the study found.

The research is part of the Global Burden of Disease study by the Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) in Seattle, published in the Lancet medical journal.

msn.com Junk food related to male infertility and miscarriages.

Obesity cancer risk warning

About a third of UK adults are obese. And now the charity Cancer Research UK is warning that cases of four of the most common forms of cancer - bowel, kidney, ovarian and liver - are more likely to be caused by being overweight than smoking.

It has launched a billboard campaign, in which it shows mocked-up cigarette packets displaying the message "Obesity is a cause of cancer too". But the charity has been criticised for fat-shaming.

from BBC news

Probably related, but another symptom of the general inequality...

Life expectancy in the UK has fallen to levels last seen 16 years ago as widening social inequalities lead to a rise in avoidable deaths in disadvantaged communities, a new report shows.

Research by academics at the London School of Economics (LSE) reveals that while people in wealthier areas of the country continue to live longer, life expectancy is stalling – or even reversing – for those living in the most deprived areas.


Just generally ranting at capitalist lifestyle...

Four in five teenagers in the UK do not do enough physical activity with experts warning that an “electronic revolution” has left too many children glued to their gadgets.

The stats from the World Health Organisation, which are the first global estimates on physical activity among adolescents, suggest that “couch potato” lifestyles have become the norm.Advertisement

Girls are less active than boys in 142 of the 146 countries studied, including the UK, where 75% of boys and 85% of girls do not do enough exercise.

The figures, published in Lancet Adolescent and Child Health, found that in 2016, more than 80% of school-going adolescents aged 11–17 years did not meet current recommendations for daily physical activity, compromising their current and future health.

Sunny Scotland...

Inequality is still a killer in Dumfries and Galloway according to new government data

MSP Colin Smyth: "There is a clear link between deprivation and low life expectancy and as poverty increases in the region, life expectancy will fall."

Deprivation levels have been blamed for the revelation that baby boys born in the region will die younger than almost anywhere else in Scotland.

Male children born between 2016 and 2018 in the NHS Dumfries and Galloway Health Board area can expect to live until the age of 76 on average, according to new government data.

The National Records of Scotland figures also break lifespan down to expected years of good health.

Men in the region will enjoy good health for an average 64.2 of their estimated 76 years.

Only NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde has a lower life expectancy for males at birth in the years covered by the figures with men expected to live an average 75.3 years.

South of Scotland MSP Colin Smyth said: “These figures are a sad indictment of the growing levels of inequality we are seeing across Scotland.

“There is a clear link between deprivation and low life expectancy and as poverty increases here in Dumfries and Galloway, life expectancy will fall particularly within our most deprived communities.

“For generations parents expected their children to live to an older age than them. That is no longer the case.

“Unless we end the shame of poverty then life expectancy will fall in the future and we will be betraying the future of our children.”

Nearly HALF of all Americans will be obese by 2030 - and the epidemic will cost the US billions of dollars, study warns

  • Researchers predict half of US adults will be obese and one-quarter will be severely obese by 2030
  • They also predict that more than half the population will be obese in 29 states and all 50 states will have an obesity prevalence higher than 35%
  • *Severe obesity is predicted to be most common among women, non-Hispanic black adults, and people making $50,000 a year or less*Currently, 40 percent of American adults are obese and 18 percent are considered severely obese. dailymail.co.uk

The life expectancy of women has fallen in the most deprived areas of England, according to a new report.

The study by Professor Sir Michael Marmot comes ten years after his first analysis of data tracking the health gap between rich and poor.

The new report, Health Equity In England: The Marmot Review 10 Years On, found that the life expectancy of women in the most deprived areas fell by 0.3 years between 2010-12 to 2016-18 while those in the richest increased by around 0.5 years.... Overall it found the rise in life expectancy had "slowed dramatically" since 2010. Professor Marmot said for a century prior to that date, life expectancy had increased by one year every four years.



For a sedentary average-built male adult the daily required calerie seems to be at least 2,000 (up-2,500). It seems difficult to arrive at this number solely by purely healthy food. What's your positive outline Stevein7?

I scratch my head at your comment, I am not at all sure what you mean. I cannot see how it is challenging to get such amounts from healthy sources, if one has some nutritional knowledge and the will to be healthy. Maybe the issue is what constitutes "purely healthy food". Potatoes, bread, fruit, nuts - not difficult. Or are you saying the problem is price? Could be something in that. Meanwhile, coronavirus collides with existing health inequality - msn.com

Personally I am vegan, I had issues with blood pressure and thought it might help. I am not saying vegan is necessary for all, bt it can be done very cheap. Throw in the odd tin of sardines and most issues are resolved if you dont want to think about it much. Personally I eat a lot of bread/muesli/potatoes/bananas/apples/pasta/lentils/peas/almond milk/soya products. It's cheap enough. I am not militantly anti eating animals, but as I understand, most people eat too much animal sourced food. Debateable.

Not about price. I find it is difficult to get at 2,000 calories (at a minimum), purely by healthy food. You mention decent stuff, but try to calculate how much you arrive at concretely with it. Bread together with pasta each day would work, but solely for the sake of calories (but not particularly healthy food as such).

We are probably wandering away from the big picture of proletarian health under capitalism, but seeing as you asked... to make up the calorific bulk, starches (bread, potato, pasta, rice) and healthy fat sources like nuts, advocado, seeds (also protein bearing). I dont really measure much, its by eye, try to eat four meals a day, I get weighed at the weekend to see if I need to eat more or less.

We're on topic, just taking it into a more concrete, positive direction. First, do you agree that the minimum daily recommended calories is 2,000? Second, do you think it's possible to reach by healthy food alone? I actually doubt even with two meals a day consisting of reasonable portions of starches (say eg 150 grams bread + 150 grams rice) would attain the figure. You would need eat double those portions, which is fine, but it's a lot of eating. Is that why you spread it over 4 meals a day?

I dont mind the conversation, I am not a expert on the matter but I think I have a good knowledge.

We're on topic, just taking it into a more concrete, positive direction. First, do you agree that the minimum daily recommended calories is 2,000?

I would guess it is possibly a little high for smaller females and a little low for larger males, but in general, global population terms, not a bad startpoint. But anyone involved in serious athletic endeavours or hard manual labour is going to need more to maintain weight.

Second, do you think it's possible to reach by healthy food alone?

I have to smile at this, I can eat a lot more and its all vegan. I think I am an outlier. For example, yesterday and today I ran 10k both days. I have a long history of martial arts, powerlifting, boxing and other endeavours. I currently weigh 82kg at 170cm, I was around this weight at university in my twenties. I have been considerably heavier (doing powerlifting competition, but I was not in horrific shape, a lot of muscle along with the blubber)

I actually doubt even with two meals a day consisting of reasonable portions of starches (say eg 150 grams bread + 150 grams rice) would attain the figure. You would need eat double those portions, which is fine, but it's a lot of eating. Is that why you spread it over 4 meals a day?

If I let my appetite dictate I would eat a lot more! 4 meals a day to me feels like restriction. I guess I am hitting around 3k calories and maintaining weight.

I think what is emerging is how complex this is. Its not just a question of diet, but of lifestyle, and the problem is we are products of evolution, tuned to surviving in what was often a harsh environment, and the modern conditions and lifestyle imposed on the masses by capitalism in no way matches the requirements of the body.

Can you be sure it's 3,000 (just by vegetables and starches)? I calculated mine and I barely arrive at half of that, and I'm not vegan. 2,000 is just necessary for sedentary life, so I'm underweight to a perhaps dangerous level.

You can easily boost the calories by eating fat bearing foods. Regardless of income, vegan, omnivore, whatever, consume peanuts if price is a factor, other nuts if you are not so financially restricted. You will find foods like muesli and granola are surprisingly calorific. A bar of dark chocolate is healthy enough.

To be honest, it sounds like you have issues with food, you say price is not the issue, being dangerously underweight whern you can get food sounds to me like an eating disorder. Have you checked your BMI? it's a good guide for most who are not excessively muscular. nhs.uk

I'm close (but not yet) to underweight. I do eat fat, no eating disorder. Anything can fill one up with calories to reach 2,000, like muesli as you mention, but I don't think it's particularly nutritious. If you are so sure that you reach it, then please take the effort to calculate/acccount, not even for everything, but just a sample of 2,000 you might have of some (healthy) foods a day.