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Worker-Communist Parties
Submitted by OT on Mer, 2007-04-11 01:41
Hello,
I'm curious if there is any relationship to the Worker-Communist Parties in Iran and Iraq, or if not, what the assessment of these groups is?
They seem to have some roots in the UCM (Mansoor Hekmat, their main ideologue, was one of the founders of the UCM) and they are emphatically against both the occupation and political Islam/the "resistance".
I don't think I would agree with all of their politics, but they seem to be one of the only organized beacons of hope in that section of the world, and they seem to be pretty large and influential (at least compared to any other left-communist anarchist groups - they have the world's "first 24 hour communist TV station".)
I suppose this is also a question about the IBRP's methodology regarding other groups which are not "communist left", but which seem to have important common bases (such as the rejection of, and organization against, 'national liberation movements'.)
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Hy Ot, We know them. We've
We know them. We've*
Hy Ot,
We know them. We've also met with them during the "european trip" of one of their delegate and we've discussed.
They're living in a very hard situation of course but - I think - they are strongly tied to the british trotskysm ( most of their CE has been formed in UK ) f.i. they underline much the idea of democracy, of different phases of liberation of Iraqi working class ( be4 away US soldiers&Co, and then will appear a path to democracy for Iraq and then more socialism will come ).
We've just heard such words during the 2 WW.
Greets
Hi OT,
Hi OT,
some comrades of IBRP have been at a conference in Milan, organized by the //Iraq Freedom Congress// (itself mainly inspired by the Worker Communist Party of Iraq).
According to our comrades, you're right that they're against political Islam. But the difficulty to get in touch with them doesn't lie in them being outside of traditional "communist left".
Actually, this organization has dropped any reference to marxism, since in some years when they distributed thousands of leaflets, they couldn't get enough support. This is what the speaker said.
Now their reference is "people", generically, to build a "democratic", "progressive" and "civil society". Evidently, it's not a working class position. They're trying to build a "popular movement", independent from USA and Islam, but nevertheless nationalist. Eventually, it would certainly led proletarians to stand with one of the various bourgeois fronts in the Iraqi slaughter.
I agree with No Nick and understand their very difficult situation... but their positions are quite distant from defending the real interests of working class.
Mic has been still more
Mic has been still more exhaustive here above.
If u're interested about iraqis workers situation U can find further informations on the site of Federation of Councils of workers of Iraq - www.uuiraq.org/
Ot, I'd appreciate ( and all the comrades here ) if U could post here or in a different thread a brief summary of the interview released from the american libertarian communist ( even we as left communists reject such definition ) L.Goldner to Pacifica Radio of Berkley few days ago where he talks about present situation and revolutionary perspectives.
Here You are the link: > kpfa.org ( it last about 1 hour )
unfortunately my english doesn't allow me to 'stand as well as I wish all he says, above all throughout a portable pc...
Thanks in advance.
Red Greets
Thanks all for the
Thanks all for the responses.
I know that there was a split a few years ago, so that there are now two Worker-Communist Parties in both Iraq and Iran. I don't know if one is more oriented towards 'civil society' than the other.
What is the perspective of the IBRP generally on groups like this? I.e. if I understand right, the ICC think that no proletarian groups can ever come out of bourgeois groups; do you think that it's possible that proletarian groups would come out of the WCPs (or similar organizations), or do you think that proletarian groups will only rise on their own, outside of these organizations?
Re: Loren Goldner
I believe his talk is about the retrogressive effects of fictitious capital. I think there is a discussion about his talk on Libcom.org, and an essay on the same piece at his website.
Ironically I'm in Berkeley right now but have not listened to his talk.
Hy, No1 has the Truth in
No1 has the Truth in*
Hy,
No1 has the Truth in his pocket obviuosly, but I think that it's highly improbable that proletarian parties could come out from ( or splitting from ) such ones above quoted. Maybe single militants or small groups of them could.
I underline that's only my personal point of view.
Our task - as "western" revolutionaries - is giving all the possibile impulse ( material and political namely as critic ) in order to such parties have birth without searching and choosing the so called "less bad" among these existing right now.
"Worker-Communist Parties" in Iran and Iraq??!!
"Worker-Communist Parties" in Iran and Iraq??!!
As an active Iranian, I can assure you both of these so called parties are counter revolutionary and bourgeois.
The “Worker-Communist Party of Iran” is founded based on UCM and led by Mansour Hekmat until his dead because of cancer, in London, I believe 3 years ago.
This organization was able to attract a lot of political activist from Stalinist groups, like Peykar & Razmandegan that were destroyed by Islamic Government.
This “Party” has seen many crisis and splits since the creation, the last one would be 2 years ago that we have now two “Worker-Communist Party of Iran”, one is distinct by adding “Hekmatist” to the end.
Also, right now there is another crises inside, resulted in creating a fraction by 5 members of EC that still not recognized by the “Worker-Communist Party of Iran”!!
These two “Worker-Communist Party of Iran” + the Iraqi one that indeed was made by “Worker-Communist Party of Iran” in just a few days, defend the positions that can not be even considered revolutionary, forget being close to Left Communism.
There have been some very good and deep critical articles in Farsi about “Worker-Communist Party of Iran” on Internet:
that has been published in their quarterly review called “Peyke Anternasionalisti”.
I believe couple of articles from this review been translated in English & published in Internationalist Communist 19:
[[ibrp.org]]
Let me know if anyone needs more information about these “parties”.
Hy Fardin, welcome here 1st
welcome here 1st*
Hy Fardin,
welcome here 1st of all.
Many thanks for your clarification.
Further partecipation by You is invited and welcome.
Maybe would be interesting if U'd describe how and wether the working class is answering to the growing international pressure on Iran - prologue for the next war of that region.
Red Greets.
BCinforma in English
BCinforma in English
Hi No Nick,
Thanks for your warm welcome.
I'll write on Iran in few days for you, but for now, I translated the BCinforma (IBRP's newsletter in Italian) in English using a translation software, not sure how good it is, but you or a Italian comrade can take a quick loot at it & with some touch ups, can be send to English speaking contacts. This way, we know at least what subjects are being discussed in the Italian section :)
Hope it's useful.
Revolutionary Greetings,
BCinforma in English - continued
BCinforma in English - continued
I get the error message "Text is too long", I can email it to you guys, if interested.
english newsletter
english newsletter
Hi Fardin,
thank you very much! Sorry for the error, but we had to find a way to avoid "monologues". We want this board to be more "interactive", otherwise there are other more appropriate means, as articles, documents etc. Again, sorry about this causing troubles to you. I hope you can understand.
You can certainly send it by email, to [[webmaster@ibrp.org]], but I fear such a translation wouldn't be good enough. Anyway, it was just the 2nd issue of the Italian newsletter. We need to discuss with other comrades in IBRP about an English version, but I think it's a very good idea!
The issue you received contains the Mayday leaflet (a reduced version of the longer IBRP document), the first article of the latest issue of Battaglia Comunista, about the first 50 years of EU, and some news of class struggles around the world.
Ciao Fardin. Mayday greetings!