Although it seems highly unlikely, is there any chance capitalism could maintain an expanding productive base and not produce CO2?could such a massive shift in production possibly occur? And is communism not based on ramping up production, freeing the productive forces from their fetters. Now, if communism could produce more, and cleanly, could capitalism not do the same? Could communism exist without expanding production massively, doing away with scarcity? Or is the only alternative a scaled down production, which would possibly be the outcome of a devastating imperialist war which would allow capitalism some temporary leeway.
In a sense you are right to highlight the issue of the link between emissions and production and you are right that we should not be too mechanical about this. In RP40 the full argument is that capitalism is so driven by the profit motive (and the constant tendency of the reate of profit to fall) that it is hghly unlikely that all the capitalist will sit down to make new rules on this. Increasing more profitable production means that they will use the cheapest method not the most complex and everyone will manoeuvre and twist to try to make sure that any new rules can be evaded by them. They mighty do it after some devastation like a global war but then that would be a question for the victors and waht kind of settlement they might want to impose. I think (and I think this is the drift of the RP40 article) that there is already a sufficient development of the productive forces to enable us to satisfy human wants all over the planet. esp if we suppress waste production. These I think are the main fetters. We could all work less (and thus spend less time pissing about in cars etc) and still maintain productivity of essentials. Of course some inthe West might think that not having the latest mobile phone or satnav is a diminution of standards but I suspect that they will soon not even remember them. When Ahemdinejad rationed Irainians to 100 litres of petrol a month per vehicle (due to lack of investment in refineries under the mullahs) there were riots but then everyone noticed the quality of the air in Tehran had improved remarkably and acceptance followed (Vive la republique islamique!). Something similar could happen under a different and more social mode of production. If you think about it, in transport terms, capitalism has brought us to possibly the most wasteful and ridiculous situation it could (and for those of us who remember the pre-Beeching railway network it smells like another example of a decadent mode of production.> Anyway before I fully fall into nostalgia for my childhood, thanks > for that. If you have any specific word changes you'd like please sedn > them asap.
it is highly unlikely that ....true
But not impossible. We should be careful when dealing with absolutes, as the most improbable, but possible scenario can invalidate the statement.
there is already a sufficient development of the productive forces to enable us to satisfy human wants all over the planet. esp if we suppress waste production. These I think are the main fetters.
Is this enough to establish the HIGHER stage of communism, without organised violence, the stateless society? That survival and beyond could be obtained already I do not dispte, but I imagined that the removal of the fetters would entail a vast leap in production. Isn't that what Marx had in mind. The almost limitless capacity of machine production . Now it would seem we have a curtailing which does not spring entirely from social relations but the capacity of the environment. Of course none of this means that the lower stages of communism cannot be realised.
I was thinking how this topic links to that other great modern scourge which some have touted as being as dangerous as climate change and which we have hardly mentioned - obesity. The same mechanism of stimulating "spurious" need for profit, the irresponsible manufacture of junk seems to be behind the obesity epedemic, which threatens to shorten life expectancy for the first time in 200 years.
Combine this with latest scientific research which shows moderate activity is useless as regards combatting diabetes, heart problems etc, and the ridiculous culture of working long hours which translate into little chance for a healthy life style embracing the necessary fitness activity levels becoming a mess phenomenon under capitalism. No doubt many long suffering workers will be more inclined to reach for the next burger or drink for immediate relief of their woes.
Pollution and the proletarian condition, two sides of the coin we pay to maintain capitalism.
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